does lp have a future anymore?

[redball]

we all know whats going on with warner, which is basically make or break...

and the quality of their music has dropped, fans have grew older........

do you think they hav what it takes to pull of a third album?

i remember hearing that "breaking the habbit" will be the template for the nxt album which is good news.....

im lookin forward to more of hiphop type lyrics on the nxt albums aswell eg "high voltage" as well as mike solo album but i prefer hybrid in there XERO/EP days, before they were aimed at teenies

coz meteora was just the same rehashed formula as hybrid theory it shows how much the band has no involvement in "THEIR OWN" music and are just record company assetts....

[dany]

hey calm down
if they split with warner that doesn't mean lp will stop existing...now come on
even if they will not find another label i'm sure they'll find a way out of this s**t...come on,now u're making suppositions and if they would split i'm sure they'll make it public so for now u can just calm down
and u said fans have grew older...really?
one thing u should know about lp is that they like to have quality music,they are perfectionists and making a new album means puting a lot of hard work....so the album will come out around the begining of 2006...i guess

[Ravynlee]

I agree with dany to a degree... but I also see where you're coming from. The latest press releases have been painting them (not all, but a lot) as greedy and money hungry and basically lairs when it comes to the whole division and separation from Warner, and while we know the media isn't always right, like it or not they have a lot of sway when it comes to public opinion.

I guess you are worried like the rest of us that regardless the outcome, LP as a band could be sinking their own reputation if they aren't careful and I see the point. Conversely, it's the fans they seem to appreciate more, lets face it, as a band their greatest strength isn't just in their development and output of music, it's in their ongoing relationship with us, their fans, that keeps them going, artistically, creatively, even financially on some levels. They say it time and again, their greatest asset is the relationship they have with their fans, and you have to admit they're one of the few contemporary bands that have put their words into action with regards to that matter. They've never forgotten their roots, and since they started out as a web-based band, if that's how they end up then so be it. They would have considered all the avenues and implications of such a move before going ahead, they're intelligent and educated businessmen as well as artists, and no one deliberately choses to sink their own careers if they're smart.

As long as we, their fans, continue to buy tickets to their shows and their official fanclub and buy their albums etc, the rest is really moot I guess. As to whether or not they have a future anymore? I guess only they, the band know. With side projects and the like, anything is a possibility. If they've decided they've achieved what they wanted with the band and want to move on now or whatever (which, judging by the official word at LPU they're in no hurry to do - read the thankyou letter you get with the LPU membership package for a case in point) then that's their choice. But I really can't see this as being the end just yet, I agree with dany, they'd inform us if that were the case. All we can do is respect their decision when and if the time does come, and continue giving them our love and support as much as we can. In all fairness I don't think Linkin Park as a band would expect anything more from us than that.

That's just my opinion, anyway.
-Rav

[dany]

ok,now u're right with the things u said
i agree they haven't forget their roots and we,the fans should support then no matter what happens...
well,u said smth about the newspapers....gossips?well,if u've seen those articles why don't u scan them and post it here

[stupidsoul1]

We know who lp are, we know who they are dedicated to and we know who lp are going to keep preforming for


so dont worry about it

[Ravynlee]

Most of which I refer to can be obtained at The Linkin Park Times, but here's a snippet of which I refer to;

From - Drowned in Sound.com (dated 8th June 05);
Given that medical science has proved that Linkin Park’s music induces vomiting, (even from their own singer), it seems a little rich of the band to strike over Warner Music’s recent financial overhauls. Rich is the important word however, because as the millionaire (c)rap-metallers fight against their label’s share prices, one thing has become clear: forget rock n’ roll, or even grot n’ roll – it’s all about stocks n’ roll these days.http://www.drownedinsound.com/articles/12418
There's 7 other articles there you'll notice all relate to LP in some form, and most (if not all) are pretty poor.

From - Rolling Stone.com (dated 2nd June 05)
Linkin, Warner Feud Rages
Who's being greedier, the rock band or the record company?
It's been a tough month for the Warner Music Group. Two weeks after the record label -- home to Rob Thomas, Green Day and Metallica -- initiated its public stock offering, prices hovered at sixteen dollars per share, about one-third less than company executives had hoped for. At the same time, the label is locked in a high-visibility battle with Linkin Park, one of its biggest bands.
The fight with Linkin Park became public on May 2nd via a press release from the group, demanding to be released from its contract. As the label was trying to persuade investors to pay twenty-two to twenty-four dollars per share for WMG stock, the band claimed that cost-cutting measures had left the label "unable to compete in today's global music marketplace, resulting in a failure to live up to WMG's fiduciary responsibility to market and promote Linkin Park." The implied boogeyman was Seagram's heir Edgar Bronfman Jr. and his group of investors, who purchased WMG from Time Warner in March 2004, then cut thirty percent of the artist roster and more than 1,000 employees worldwide... (read more at site)
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/7373660/linkinpark?pageid=rs.Home&pageregion=single1&rnd=1117773757140&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.872

Well, that's just after a quick hunt. If you look for yourself you'll soon see what I mean. It makes for interesting reading, if anything, but like I said before, I'll put my trust where it's been for the last few years now, with the band. Bugger everyone else, IMHO. *shrugs* Hope that clears the matter up...

Take care,
-Rav

[killerfishy]

why does every one keep thinking about how lp will stop making muusic? that makes me sad...
i don't think they'll stop thpugh, i know that they are dedicated to it.

[spike91232004]

OK they are not going to break up or stop making music PERIOD!!!!!!!! I am so sick of these threads about "Are they done?" Until we hear actual news on www.linkinpark.com or www.lptimes.com we know they are still together. They will find a new record label, hopefully like Roadrunner or something.

As for their quality of music... It is great! I love what they are doing right now. They put alot and I mean alot of work in their album unlike other bands who just go out and put out new albums like 2-3 times every like two years. But LP is different, I like how they have both Rock/Rap equal, instead of having more rock than rap. They keep it equal and I like that. They should just keep their same kind of music and when they figure out this stupid thing with Warner should go out get signed on a new label and put out a new album and then after that album release Frat Party #2 about 1 week after that.

Just because they are taking a long time to put out a new album doesn't mean they are breaking up. That is probably what people thought when it took about 2 and a half years to put out Meteora after Hybrid Theory.. But when it came out everyone loved it.

So just calm down, everyone wants the same thing so just wait.

[redball]

u guys are missing my point...... what im saying is between the EP and HT theres a HUGE difference..... and between HT and meteora theres almost no difference...... i remember reading an interview with mike talkin about how they re-wrote ALL their songs on HT to make them "more accessable" which means there dumbing down for a younger audience.... look at the demo lyrics and compare them to the album ones......

what im tryin to say is the people get sick of them selling out for a larger audience.....look at why high voltage was cut off the album.... coz it was "too rapish"... all im sayin is that if they come out with the same shit on the 3rd album im really gonna stop listening to them....... chester is 30yrs old singing about how much his parents hate him.....

[Ravynlee]

I don't agree. I think there's significant difference in their old stuff and newer stuff, enough to remain of interest to my ear at least. They're still experimenting and developing like any good act should. In the early days they were trying to find a place so to speak, not just in the music industry but as people within themselves, having grown up and matured their style of music reflects it to a point, if they kept coming out with 'new' sounds all the time and kept reinventing themselves like a lot of other artists do (look at Madonna for one) they'd probably lose a large percentage of their fan base, who like it or not are younger/teens etc. They're not dumb, this is a business, and they've obviously done their research to know what demographic to aim at. Having said that, they're also in an awkward position, their music is so widely recieved that they have to find a happy medium for their older more mature fans (that's us) while keeping in touch with their younger 'teen' market (which is most of the folk here, I think, my apologies if I'm wrong about that), and on top of that have to stay as true as they can to their own artictic ideals, and that can't be easy to do.

As for Chas being 30 and moaning about the same old stuff, Jonathan Davis (from Korn) made a 'big deal' about the fact he was abused as a child and that was a reccuring theme for at least 3 albums. In fact, in some ways, it still goes on, and my point isn't to dramaticise his abuse, rather point out that his past obviously still haunts him. If he's still trying to resolve issues naturally they're going to come through in the lyrics, etc... That's just splitting hairs, really.

Yeah, they do generally refer to us, their fans collectively as 'kids' *cringes* and they aren't as confrontational as they used to be, but like I said, they've made their mark, they're not struggling to find a voice. Now they have one and they know people are listening they're using their heads and trying to go about delivering their messages in a broader way. Listen to what Mike himself says in LPTV episode 1, a lot of what he and Chas discuss in their songs shouldn't be discussed (taboo in mainstream) so they have to find creative ways to get out what they want to say without making it too obvious and respect us enough to make up our own minds about what they write about.
If you no longer relate like you once used to maybe it just means your tastes are changing now, it happens. Bagging them won't help. The fact is they're playing a difficult field trying to please everybody all the time and it's not going to work, naturally.

And as for 'the people getting sick of them selling out to a larger audience' (as if I havent made my point clear enough) like I said, they're businessmen. This is a business. They make music because they love to, but under contract are also obligated to fulfil certain criteria. God knows what they are. But if you don't like what they do, don't buy it, someone else will. Shop elsewhere. I've been a fan since OSC and I can honestly say there's probably two songs on average per album that I personally don't like, doesn't mean I hate what they do, just means I don't like it for whatever reason. If their next album sucks *shrugs* so be it. I'll judge it then. If you consider CC selling out, that 's also your opinion. I don't agree with it. Even Reanimation was an experimentation, it's not classic LP, but it shows they're willing to try new stuff. Even if this next album was another Reanimation, providing it's good quality and true to their experimental and perfectionist natures, then it wouldn't faze me. So be it. If they're happy and proud enough of their achievements to say; 'This is what we have, for better or worse,' and you don't like it, it's your choice.
They're always experimenting and I commend them for that. I don't think they've sold out I think they're playing a difficult game with a smart attitude. Providing this feud with Warner doesn't blow up in their faces they could be around forever, playing the field so to speak. At least they're not another pub-band rehashing a lot of one-hit-wonders by bands no one even remembers anymore, and kudos to LP for that.
That's my rant. Like it or lump it.
*grins*
-Rav

[dany]

well come on
i see ppl that say well,i guess lp are not going to sing or i guess lp are splitting just cause they have a trial with their label and just cause chaz had a f***ing divorce
now come on ppl....don't u think that if they would split they would show the fans some respect like they always do and say that they are going down?????
well,i don't see that announcement on www.linkinpark.com ,which means they are not splitting,ok??

[redball]

yea i agree with alot of what you said.....i was 16 when i started listening to them.... im like 20yrsold now, moved out of home........so i can see through what they do.......

your right, it is a business.... and thats the problem........ believe it or not REanimation is what linkin park ORIGNALLY sounded like, hybrid theory isnt... i actually think now that reanimation is their best album......

just listen to the guitars on meteora..... its the same 3chord riffs, there songs are so identical, somewhere i belong-in the end......

....i believe that CC was selling out based on the fact it was organised by MTV for starters... in the fact there just using up another album to get out of their 10 album contract........ i mean jayz is one of the best rappers in hiphop, between two groups they came out with 6song EP that isnt even close to what it should have been... milking the dedicated fans (my opinion).... and there fighting with warner for more money?? ...if any band sold as much as they did they would be jumping for joy....

right now you can even tell linkin park as a band DONT like where there going..... i mean look at mike... his parts of the songs (crawling demo) and lyrics were cut out and dumbed down so much....... chesters least favorite song is OSC, i actaully think he hates SCREAMING.... coz in his previous band grey daze he did none of that.......

look in the meteora booklet.... dont stay ORIGNALLY had a reggae vibe.... and there record company changed it into OSC part 2...... i rekon they had to re-write most of the songs on meteora.....

the problem is that hybrid theory looses part of its "greatness" if they cloned it with meteora (besides bth & nobody's listening) and in turn meteora looses its status as a good record if its so similar to HT...... people cannt say, "oh linkin park, there first album is great and so is there second" beocz there so similar they lose and idenitiy..... reanimation and CC and the only albums with identity.... know wat i mean?

im not tryin to hate on em.... it just somthing i realised as i grew older....

[dany]

oh now come on...leave it
u're telling me the same s**t that i hear every day-that lp is not a rock band,that they do it all for the money....for God's sake ....do you know how much they work for a song????just one song...
well,anyway if u don't understand that......it's the perfectionism...that's what this is all about
well u said their songs are almost the same-if u tell me a similarity between nobody's listening and numb,or hit the floor and crawling,or runaway and papercut....i agree with you
u know...one thing-chester said that ppl have to know that when they hear a song they should know it'ds linkin park...that doesn't mean that their songs are all the same
it's like u listen to a song and u go-that's linkin park,just because they have their own style,just like korn,or pantera ,or cradle of filth,or metallica,or guns 'n roses or guano apes have...
i don't know if u see my point but if u don't like them,or u say that u don't like their songs cause they are similar one to each other,then what are u doing here in this forum???
it'slike this-i have ppl in university that tell me-lp is s**t...we only listen to metallica,and G 'N R and they go home and put linkin park on...
now come on ppl.......i'm sick of this
one more thing -about warner trial~would u like to work your ass out on a project and someone else took the credits....or work on a album and sell millions of albums and receive only a tiny part of the money that should be your's
no ,i don't think they do it for the money-it's just a matter of justice...i would do the same thing
well,from what i understood ,from your point of view lp sings only for the money,makes albums only for the money
well,let me tell u one thing-ppl that sing for the money they do playback or mime and i can give u a very good example of a band who does this-H.I.M,and you're telling me that lp does it only 4 the money???
well,your thinking...your opinion...

[Clogz]

It doesn't matter what happens at Warner, if they don't put out a new album this year the fans will simply stop waiting.
If they don't release an album this year, I wouldn't be suprised if they quit or split up. It is simply too long of a wait, and if they are smart they will relieze that.

[JammerG]

I agree with dany to a degree... but I also see where you're coming from. The latest press releases have been painting them (not all, but a lot) as greedy and money hungry and basically lairs when it comes to the whole division and separation from Warner, and while we know the media isn't always right, like it or not they have a lot of sway when it comes to public opinion.

I guess you are worried like the rest of us that regardless the outcome, LP as a band could be sinking their own reputation if they aren't careful and I see the point. Conversely, it's the fans they seem to appreciate more, lets face it, as a band their greatest strength isn't just in their development and output of music, it's in their ongoing relationship with us, their fans, that keeps them going, artistically, creatively, even financially on some levels. They say it time and again, their greatest asset is the relationship they have with their fans, and you have to admit they're one of the few contemporary bands that have put their words into action with regards to that matter. They've never forgotten their roots, and since they started out as a web-based band, if that's how they end up then so be it. They would have considered all the avenues and implications of such a move before going ahead, they're intelligent and educated businessmen as well as artists, and no one deliberately choses to sink their own careers if they're smart.

As long as we, their fans, continue to buy tickets to their shows and their official fanclub and buy their albums etc, the rest is really moot I guess. As to whether or not they have a future anymore? I guess only they, the band know. With side projects and the like, anything is a possibility. If they've decided they've achieved what they wanted with the band and want to move on now or whatever (which, judging by the official word at LPU they're in no hurry to do - read the thankyou letter you get with the LPU membership package for a case in point) then that's their choice. But I really can't see this as being the end just yet, I agree with dany, they'd inform us if that were the case. All we can do is respect their decision when and if the time does come, and continue giving them our love and support as much as we can. In all fairness I don't think Linkin Park as a band would expect anything more from us than that.

That's just my opinion, anyway.
-Rav

Thanks Ravyn or covertly (HP of COB)

Agreed totally with Ravyn and Dany.
We would be notified and if they leave Warner, Good on them, Independence, Though hard at first is a good thing. With our support and their WEB base, They could be around until they themselves believe that they have done what they set out to achieve.
As fans have grown old... Man that is scary I have only been a fan for two years and I am 37 this year!!!

Fuck music has nothing to do with age. LP Music is Multigenerational. I love the music, so do my three children (Ages 5 & 11)
All we need to do is support them.
Which I do financially each year in joining LPU (But as found out, merchandising done through Warner... hmmm)

Anyway, If and When they do say good bye they will still have old rockers like myself, who in fifteen-twenty years time will still be playing their music LOUD AND PROUD!!!

[meteora500]

Anyway, If and When they do say good bye they will still have old rockers like myself, who in fifteen-twenty years time will still be playing their music LOUD AND PROUD!!!


Amen to that! even though Im not really considered old seeing as Im only 14, but I agree all the same!

[Hahninator]

hey calm down
if they split with warner that doesn't mean lp will stop existing...now come on
even if they will not find another label i'm sure they'll find a way out of this s**t...come on,now u're making suppositions and if they would split i'm sure they'll make it public so for now u can just calm down
and u said fans have grew older...really?
one thing u should know about lp is that they like to have quality music,they are perfectionists and making a new album means puting a lot of hard work....so the album will come out around the begining of 2006...i guess

Amen, dany, Amen.

[Cristina]

i dont agree that LP have made their lyrics more suitable for a younger audience. They use words in their lyrics that could only be understood past a certain age and the whole theme of their songs could not even be related to if the audience hadnt experienced some of it themselves. i agree with meteora500 and JammerG, i will always love LP and my future kids will be rocked to sleep at night to the sweet lyrics of From the Inside or Numb.

[dany]

i dont agree that LP have made their lyrics more suitable for a younger audience. They use words in their lyrics that could only be understood past a certain age and the whole theme of their songs could not even be related to if the audience hadnt experienced some of it themselves. i agree with meteora500 and JammerG, i will always love LP and my future kids will be rocked to sleep at night to the sweet lyrics of From the Inside or Numb.
i think that if my kids will be as obsessed as i am this will be bad.....i'm jokeing
wll,yeah i also sleep with lp songs-especially runaway or hit the floor....and my kids will sleep on that music sure...

[Rusu_luvs_LP_4ever]

Ravyn has said everything I want to say...even more ^__^

[Hahninator]

u guys are missing my point...... what im saying is between the EP and HT theres a HUGE difference..... and between HT and meteora theres almost no difference...... i remember reading an interview with mike talkin about how they re-wrote ALL their songs on HT to make them "more accessable" which means there dumbing down for a younger audience.... look at the demo lyrics and compare them to the album ones......

what im tryin to say is the people get sick of them selling out for a larger audience.....look at why high voltage was cut off the album.... coz it was "too rapish"... all im sayin is that if they come out with the same shit on the 3rd album im really gonna stop listening to them....... chester is 30yrs old singing about how much his parents hate him.....

That's bullshit. Listen to Making of Meteora. HT is NOTHING like Meteora damnit. Two songs: PMA and Numb are close. That's it. Just because 2 songs are heavy doesn't mean they're just the fucking alike. I really am sick of people saying this.

Yes, I do agree about the lyrics. Personally, I don't really pay them attention. Nor do I pay anyone attention who says LP is for suicidal kids.

They won't come out with the same shit on the third album, LP has already confirmed that I think twice or even more. It's going to take a new approach, the BTH approach I think.

Anyways, LP could change their lyrics. Doesn't matter to me, I love them. Yes LP doesn't need to cut songs like High Voltage. With songs like that, they appeal to larger audiences.

[dany]

That's bullshit. Listen to Making of Meteora. HT is NOTHING like Meteora damnit. Two songs: PMA and Numb are close. That's it. Just because 2 songs are heavy doesn't mean they're just the fucking alike. I really am sick of people saying this.

Yes, I do agree about the lyrics. Personally, I don't really pay them attention. Nor do I pay anyone attention who says LP is for suicidal kids.

They won't come out with the same shit on the third album, LP has already confirmed that I think twice or even more. It's going to take a new approach, the BTH approach I think.

Anyways, LP could change their lyrics. Doesn't matter to me, I love them. Yes LP doesn't need to cut songs like High Voltage. With songs like that, they appeal to larger audiences.
well,i'm left without words.you've said it all
well,i always hear ppl talling s**t like this-linkin park's songs are all the same and i asked for 1 similarity between nobody's listening and from the inside or in the end and from the inside ...the list can go on and all the ppl that said that s**t didn't have anything left to say
what are u based on,when u say that their lyrics and their songs are just the same cause maybe i'm blind and maybe i don't hear anymore.

[Hahninator]

well,i'm left without words.you've said it all
well,i always hear ppl talling s**t like this-linkin park's songs are all the same and i asked for 1 similarity between nobody's listening and from the inside or in the end and from the inside ...the list can go on and all the ppl that said that s**t didn't have anything left to say
what are u based on,when u say that their lyrics and their songs are just the same cause maybe i'm blind and maybe i don't hear anymore.

Once again, I agree with you :O Everyone who says Meteora and Hybrid Theory are the same can't name the smililarities. That's because they aren't the same :)